I cant sleep after reading that our gorvernment has once again back doored us with another attempt at sneaky passing of legislation that obviously has not recieved the attention it deserves. This is the final straw. I agree that sending letters to our congressman and the new President-elect is a great idea but its time for us to stand up in a bigger way, and i mean NOW. The PPA is over one million strong, and there are many more poker players that have to recognize what is happening. Now is the time to assemble. We need to be proactive, and let our voices be heard. I suggest that in the very near future with the help of the PPA, that we take a day and let the government REALLY know how we feel. How, you might ask? We do what every other major organization in the country does when it is unhappy, we picket. We all go on the same day to our state capital buildings in our respective states, (especially Washington and Kentucky) and we organize outside of the capital and start drawing some national attention. This is getting to a point where our letters and our respective attempts are not enough. Too many of us are sitting back and waiting for a miracle, but we HAVE to act. If we get 500 strong in every state on the same day we WILL draw National attention. Our current administration is passing legislation left and right that most people arent aware of, and they are focusing on things that let us all forget about the other issues, like this issue that we as poker players have to face. This sneaky attempt of pushing something through AGAIN in the midnight hour is a travesty.
I want to reach out to the PPA, and all of its members, and use our strength in numbers and start making some MAJOR noise. I am also calling out to major celebrities like Tony Parker (who we know throws celeb poker tourneys), Alex Rodriguez (another celeb that we have seen in the news as a poker player), Michael Phelps, and any other celebrity whose FAME alone will draw MAJOR attention to this cause. This large of a showing would definitely let it be known that there are many people who will be affected by the UIGEA, and we arent happy about it. I know there are many issues in our country right now, but this has taken a back seat long enough and THE FEW WHO OPPOSE ONLINE GAMBLING have had too much say. We have to get MAJOR attention, and make this an issue that the entire country finds out about. The removal of our rights and freedom, the attempts to control the internet, this IS A COUNTRYWIDE issue, and it has major importance.
I love what the PPA has done for us so far, but its time we as members get out into the world and make some noise, and help their cause. We cant sit back and let this happen!
So now, i leave it up to the PPA, to pick a date, in the VERY NEAR FUTURE, hopefully in late november, or early december, and lets stand up for our rights!
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WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Sure Mike, Ruin everything for eveybody else because you suck at poker. What a class act you are. Rather than apply yourself and learn how to play the game you figure, "if I can't win at this game why should anybody else"... right? What's sad is you clearly don't oppose poker, clearly you play online. But your just in crybaby mode cos you took a bad beat or whatever and now you feel the need to take it out on all people who actually make money at this game... truly sad
And as far as the economy and online poker are concerned. If you knew anything on the subject you would know that the taxation and regulation of online poker would add an estimated 3.3 billion dollars to our economy in the next 4 years.
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Mike,
Well im sorry you feel that online poker is rigged, but that is beside the point im trying to make here. There are many of us that count on the income that we make from online poker, so technically it is affecting the economy. There are lots of players that play online poker as a job, and believe it or not we are not tied to any of the sites. Like Berserker said, there is a lot of money to be made for the economy if online poker were taxed by the U.S. I think the thing you are missing here is, that like any other form of job loss, if online poker is banned , many people will be forced to move out of the country or put into the situation of unemployment. Again, for anyone else reading this... WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION!!Posted 1 year ago # -
I would take a day off work to do something like this in the Atlanta area. It is easier said than done, though. At the very least, it would take the PPA state directors to coordinate local efforts in conjunction with national PPA action. I like the idea, although I think November would be downright impossible, with holidays coming up. December is pushing it, but I wonder if our efforts are better spent pressuring the next administration in January, as opposed to the outgoing one. George Dumbya and his lobbyists and other cohorts seem hellbent on pushing this through in spite of Congressional, public, banking industry, and other opposition, so I highly doubt they would respond even if Jesus Himself returned and told them to do it. The regulation gives the banks a whole year to implement, which gives us plenty of time to pressure Obama, the Democratic Congress, as well as freedom-minded Republicans to reverse this moronic midnight rulemaking.
And mikern, if your stance was truly principled, you would have vehemently protested Frist, Kyl, Leach et al. for attaching the UIGEA to the port security act and starting this whole mess in the first place, instead of focusing on real national security and economic issues. They did nothing on immigration, which is an issue near and dear to their Republican base, but passed this instead, which alienated many who have voted Republican before (myself included), and who are now voting Libertarian, Democratic, or none of the above. And BTW, the financial industry, which is at the heart of the current economic crisis, is unanimously opposed to this regulation and the additional burdens it would impose on them in general, but especially during this time in which they are struggling just to stay afloat. So this issue is not unrelated to the economic crisis.
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Didn't mean to be so hostile mike, But when you spend your days endlessly fighting for something and then people who are supposed to be your side just make things worse, it's awfully frustrating.
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To Flinstone Pip and any other person who solely makes their money from gambling and foolishly belives they contribute to society.
Are you really that short sighted to say you being out of a "job" would hurt this economy? Where do you suppose the money comes from to fund people's accounts to play poker in the first place? Without real jobs supplying the poker community with money, you would be raked out of existence. Without that constant influx of money, you and all of your other jobless online "friends" would be forced to move from this country (a good thing) or forced to get off your fat arse and get a real job that does help this economy (another good thing.)
Please read this very carefully; YOU DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY. On top of that, you actually HURT this country because you play online versus a casino. Casino's in this country either gift money or are forced to give money to the Fed. When have you ever heard of Pokerstars or Full tilt sending money to your government?
Not to mention the fact surely many of you online players don't fully disclose your winnings so that you have to pay less in taxes. Another way you're hurting this country.You may have read this far and assume I'm against online poker but I'm not. I'm against idiots who suck this country for all they can and then cry when it gets a little tougher for them.
Mikern12 has a very good point and he gets backlashed for it. Although we all love poker and we SHOULD DEFEND IT, if we worried/fought this hard for other issues that are MUCH MORE important, can you imagine how truly great this country could be?
Poker should be defended because it is a fabulous game and it is or should be our right in this country of freedom to play it when we want. But if you think I'm gonna write to my Senator so that you lazy mofo's can continue to sit on your arse's while the rest of us go out and work real jobs that help real people and contribute to a real society, you're in for the worst beat of your life.
Sincerely,
pauliewaulie
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AK you did not even make a hand, and yeah that is a pro move all-in pre flop NOT that was a dumb move and just like the rest of your all-in donkey moves, and oh yeah real table games must be rigged to??? You see the same hands at a real table. And what do you hope to do by playing a .01/.02???
Get some dam books, and well sh!t then by all means i should be losing!
Even a pro will tell you the same thing i just told you.
and anyone else think and or know i am right on this after he has posted his hands??? so all in all it just shows they are the ones b!tching about it, and it is the ones who don't wish to take the time to learn it!!!You win many pots on bluffs and semi-bluffs and often get paid off on your big hands.
You lack discipline. People are often able to slow-play or check-raise you because they know you'll bet.
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Mikern, first two hands, you slowplayed AQ and JJ, good hands, but hands that get outdrawn on more often than they win. Then you ended up all in with them, so you set yourself up by limping to a certain extent. Personally, I would only consider doing that with AA, maybe KK, but even then, I would realize my own trap backfired on me. Yeah, they are bad beats, but they are in the 20-30% range, meaning that one out of every four times you put yourself in those situations, you will lose, so there is nothing out of the ordinary there, not to mention that both the A5 and the 33 might have folded, or at least only called, had you raised instead of limped in to begin with, in which case, you could have easily won both hands with a continuation flop bet.
Third hand, you gave a free card to two open ended straight draws on the turn; you really deserve to lose that one.
I’m not going to keep reading the histories. This is pretty poor evidence for your arguments so far.
Based on your later posts, it sounds like maybe some of the more ridiculous beats were later on, but you're obviously not playing optimal poker here either, so you bear some of the responsibility for your losses.
Trust me, the higher in limits you go, it gets tougher to win. The online pros don't play your limits, so you will see a very different style of play at higher limits. It cannot even be compared. The lower limits are easier to beat with straightforward mathematical play. The higher limits emphasize more reading, deception, etc. because everyone knows the math. But although easier to beat, the lower limits will always have many more bad beats. I can see how this would seem "rigged" but there is a very simple mathematical reason for this. The lower limits have a much higher percentage of bad players, or players that simply don't care about losing 50 cents so they will go all in with any two cards. Let's say they are going in with cards that have a 10% chance of winning. They will still win 10 out of every 100 times they do this. Since it happens so often at low limits, even at 10% odds you will see it happen a lot. Furthermore, the better you play, the more bad beats you will take. This is also a statistical fact because the better you play, the more often you have the best cards when the chips go in. If you never bet when you're behind, you can't give bad beats, you can only take them, so taking a lot of bad beats, as weird as it may sound, is actually a sign of playing well, although that may not encourage you very much.
Paulie, mikern doesn't need your defense. If he goes into a POKER PLAYERS alliance forum and argues against legalizing online poker, he should expect to get some strong arguments in response. BTW, I design military airplanes for a living. Care to comment on whether or not this is a valid contribution to society? If anything we did or fought for had to pass such muster, this country may not have been founded based on people not wanting to pay taxes on tea (I guess those guys were also unpatriotic because they did not want to give money to the government). You better believe that if all of a sudden, the government made playing professional football illegal based on the fact that players "could" get hurt, and addictive sports gamblers "could" hurt their families, there would probably be a Football Players Alliance fighting like cats and dogs to get such idiotic law reversed. And how do you know that we are not also fighting hard for other "important" issues we care about? I concede that there may be more important issues, but this one is not unimportant, for many reasons, many of which have been argued in this thread and others here. If nothing else, think of this: what's next? If we bend over while they take this freedom away, what will they think they can get away with next time? The government should be scared of taking ANY freedom away from the people.
BTW, the only reason unpatriotic people like me don't go to casinos is because there isn't one I can go to without getting on an airplane and staying at an overpriced hotel. The casinos you support so much would love to have a chance to offer online extensions of themselves to us, but the government will not let them. We would gladly sponsor them. Both the consumers and providers in this industry would accept the taxation and regulation that would come with legalization, so don't blame the "unpatriotic leech online poker players", as you apparently view us, blame your government for forcing us to go underground to play the game that we love. The majority of the PPA, Flintstone and others notwithstanding, is made up of people with taxed jobs (I guess that means we are valuable contributors to society), who love this game and are vehemently opposed to any attempt by the government to take away our right to play it. You are within your right to not call your Senator, but don't berate those of us who love our freedom more than you do and choose to take action to defend it. We are not hurting this country; we are trying to make it better. You will find very few people in the PPA, if any, arguing against taxation of our winnings. Even in this very thread people are arguing for it. Flintstone's point was less about the loss of the job than it was about the money he could be spending IN THIS COUNTRY if the government let him bring it in, and even more so, about the potential revenue the government could have to do something beneficial with (hopefully) if they did allow us to contribute more via taxation. When have you ever heard of anybody else pretty much begging to be taxed? Now that I think about it, by your rationale, we are the most patriotic lot. While everyone else is voting for Obama so that they can get their share of the middle tax cut, while they're paying big money to H&R Block so they can pay the absolute minimum allowed, we are asking to pay more.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Will PPA just ban mikern12 seeing how he does not even seam to play poker or have the skill needed to play at all, and all of what i have been seeing are donkey moves by mikern12.....
mikern12 Get a life stop wasting are time and pick up some poker books or SHUT UP
T9 had you beat from the start moronPosted 1 year ago # -
For Machetero
Well said!
Poker has been played in the U.S. for over a century now. If anyone thinks this great game is going to be outlawed, they are just spitting in the wind. I'm an old lady and I have been playing this game since my youth. I live in Las Vegas and play in the casinos but, I also play online. I can't begin to count how many "kitchen table games" I've played in! I'm a poker player for life!
I think once some regulations are put in place for online gaming; the horror stories of rigged sites, cashouts, and cheating will come to an abrupt halt. I'm not sure who, how, or where, these would take place, but I believe it will happen. I just wonder what some people will have to bitch about afterward???? Because it will no longer be about the greatest game on the planet, POKER!
Stay Lucky!
Pokergranni ;(Posted 1 year ago #
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