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Pay Out Delay Outrage

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  • Started 1 year ago by Mark Nishinaka
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  1. Mark Nishinaka
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    Pay Out Delay Outrage and What the PPA Can Do About It

    It has been over two months since I first requested two payouts ($300 & $400) from Sportsbook.com

    I understand that many sites have problems with financial institutions willing and able to process such transactions.

    The thing that most bothers me is the excuses that I have received from the site for the delay. The first month was because they were changing processing companies. The second month they made me jump through hoops, faxing, e-mailing and telephone verifying all sorts of information. Most of the information they already had and some of the information I am unsure why they needed to process a payment. This third month they notified me via e-mail (according to them "as a courtesy") that the transactions were still pending and if I have any questions to contact their customer service department.

    I am a strong supporter of Internet Poker and hope to see it legally available to players in the United States. I do not feel that the industry as a whole is corrupt, but I do feel that an organization such as the PPA needs to become the "watch dog" of poorly run sites.

    It is in our best interest (I am a member of the PPA) to see that players are not disillusioned or dissatisfied with the poker sites because these are the people who may keep online poker from ever becoming legal and or regulated in the United States.

    I find it very odd that I do not see a lot of outrage from other Sportsbook.com customers about slow payouts. My payouts are for relatively small amounts and I have already prepared myself for the day that may come when I finally realize they are never going to send the money.

    Playing illegally, US players run the risk of a site basically saying “we ain’t paying, so what are you going to do about it?”

    Maybe there is no outrage because like me, other players figure the only real loss is one’s initial deposit and any money beyond that never really belonged to you. If Sportsbook.com decided not to pay me or it goes on so long that I actually forget they do owe me, I will be out a hundred bucks. No big loss to me and I will move on to another site. Is Sportsbook.com banking on the notion that most will react like myself and just take their business elsewhere?

    A more sinister scenario would be that there is no outrage from other players because I am one of the few who actually have requested a payout. If a site does not have a lot of players cashing out, then there is something definitely wrong with the game they are running.

    The PPA should consider devising an “ebay” type rating system for online poker sites so that potential customers (players) can make informed decisions as to where to play. It would be nice to see how many transactions take place and whether there is positive or negative feedback.

    At a minimum, it would be nice if the PPA website could devote a page to members who want to review the different sites allowing other members to see what they are getting into before deciding to play at a new site.

    Legal internet poker in the US will never become a reality until we can prove that we are able to police ourselves. Without legalized internet poker in the US, players are left vulnerable to all sorts of bad things in cyber space.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Stephen Downs
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    It seems that some sites are trying it on with non us players all so..I am currently having the same problem with T6poker cash out of 500 euros all though its only been a week over their 72 hour payout policy..I find it very frustrating that I am unable to get an approx date of payout I am expected to wait indefinitely..I totally agree with you that a page needs to be put up for players safety against poorly managed sites like these.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. There seems to be a common theme in the various forums lately that it is becoming increasingly more difficult to withdraw funds from poker sites. The funny thing is that there is never a problem depositing money into same sites.

    I have begun researching Offshore Banking as a personal solution, but at first glance it appears to be far too expensive to set up. I'll keep researching and let you know the results, but if anyone is ahead of me on their research I'd be happy for any info.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Mark Nishinaka
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    I just received a payout update from Sportsbook.com

    Again, they give no time frame of when the payouts will occur, or a reason for delay.

    It has been over three months since the requests have been made.

    Is anyone out there experiencing a similar problem at sportsbook.com?

    The update reads as follows:

    From: The Withdrawals Team
    Date: Today at 07:49PM EDT
    Subject: Your Weekly Withdrawal Update

    Message: Dear imger8,

    This is your weekly withdrawal status update for your account (CID: 84xxxxxxx). You currently have pending withdrawal(s) of the following amounts:

    400, 340

    We are working directly with our payment processors to guarantee timely payments for all customers and your withdrawal is in the queue for processing. We are doing our best to ensure members receive their funds quickly and your withdrawal will be sent as soon as possible.

    I would like to apologize once again for the delay you have experienced in receiving your withdrawal. We have been working hard to make good on your valued business and to have the withdrawal timeframe at a more respectable level very soon.

    As promised, we will be keeping the channels of communication open with you while we improve the situation, and you will receive a further weekly update on this matter without fail.

    Thank you for your co-operation and understanding.

    Kind regards,

    Stephanie Taylor
    The Withdrawals Team.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Mark Nishinaka
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    It has now been 4 months since my original request for withdrawal from Sportsbook.com

    I didn't even get my "BS" weekly withdrawal status update this time.

    It would be helpful if other members can share if they are experiencing withdrawal delays at Sportsbook.com or other poker sites.

    On another sad note, it has been a month since I made a request for withdrawal at Doyle's Room. This is my first request for withdrawal since Doyle's Room began letting US Players play again. I never had a problem with withdrawals at Doyle's Room before we were banned, but alot has changed at Doyle's Room since late 2007.

    If anyone is having problems with withdrawal delays at Doyle's Room, please post a message.

    This is the e-mail they sent me last month:

    Dear XXXX XXXXXXXXX,
    Your Payout of 500 USD for Account ID imger8 has been processed. This transaction was completed via Manual-MailCheck.

    We thank you for your continued business and are always available if you should have any questions.

    http://www.dbpn.com
    • Email: support@dbpn.com
    • Wagering: 888-762-4192
    • Customer Services: 888-762-4192

    Thank you for your patronage.
    -The Staff at DBPN-

    Thanks

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. MattW
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    This post makes me worry. I just requested a withdrawl from Bodog for my sports bet winnings. So far they have been really great. Isnt it funny how easy it is to deposit the money, but you have to fill out 10 forms to get your money. If you want it fast, it cost like $50 to get it. They claim it will take up to 8 weeks to get my check. The funniest part to me is when I tried to make my first deposit, my CC company blocked it. Bodog sent me an email stating that this was a common problem and to call customer service. I called and they reran the card and told me to wait an hour and try to make a deposit. It worked.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Mark Nishinaka
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    Should I be worried?

    I received the following from Doyle's Room in response to my inquiry about my payout request:

    In a message dated 10/16/2008 9:16:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, accounting@dbpn.com writes:

    Dear Mr. XXXXXXXXX,

    Thank you for contacting us here in accounting at Doyle Brunson poker network it will be my pleasure to assist you.

    Unfortunately, our merchant processor had some technical problems with there processing system last week which indeed delayed a lot and I mean a lot of our checks being sent.

    We have been back logged not from our end here but, from our processing merchant which must send all delayed checks first then in an orderly fashion as they come into there queue. I ask that, you be patient as all the checks will be processed but, with some delays on arrival time. Please, bear with us....

    Mr. XXXXXXXXX, if you have any further questions in regards to this matter please, feel free to contact me.

    Once again, thank you for contacting accounting at Doyle Brunson poker network and may you have a great day.

    Sincerely,

    Andrew F.
    Accounting & Withdrawals
    Doyle Brunson Poker Network
    Ph USA: (888) 762-4192 / ext: #2403
    Outside USA (+506) 2253-3984 ext #2403
    Fax: (801) 640-9522
    Accounting@dbpn.com

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. seth love
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    I dont kno0w if it would help....but i had problems with SBG global with their payout issues and i talked to OSGA.com and they helped me get my payout...so maybe you try them....hope this helps...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Henry Martinez
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    Hey imger8...thanks for the post. I swear when I read your post it made me feel like I was writing it myself. From the long time frames, to the "courtesy" e-mails, I am feeling your pain! I have been so scared to post b/c I am so gunshy as to if this info gets out, I am afraid it will get back to sportsbook.com and I will never get my money. What the heck is that? I am scared so bad, that I am afraid that a higher Sportsbook.com power is gonna never give me my money! This is my 1st post ever. Try this one on for size. This is the word-for-word email I sent directly to a guy over at sportsbookreview.com to help me do some ball-busting in trying to get my money:

    Dear Mr. Dozer,

    I have been dealing with Sportsbook.com for a couple of years and ever since the many legislation changes and buyouts on the site, I have had nothing but problems and angst. It wasn't until my infamous check payout of $1900 that I have decided to look for further help in this matter.

    Back Story:
    I cashed out a check back in June (6/8/08) in the amount of $1900.00. I received the check about a month and some change later. Great! Money in the bank right???? WRONG!! The check bounced because of what Sportsbook.com told me "a processor change." Now I have -$1900 in my account, overdraft fees totaling $58 and a huge chip on my shoulder. Sportsbook, after many apologies, told me that they would credit me for all the overdraft fees incurred and re-issue a different payout method. I agreed helplessly because I was never sure if I should beef it with a site that has my money for 1, and 2, I can't fight or threaten legal action against them because they are "illegal" in an online gambling sense. After faxing my life away to them, they agreed on paying me out via ACH check and I would get my money when they signed a new contract with a "new processor." They even offered putting the money back into the site (how nice of them!!) so I can gamble and rake it back to them! I told them not to repeatedly and they put $1900.00 back into the site! They told me that I had to re-cash out the money via ACH check and wait 3-5 weeks (the magic time frame that was given to me every time I asked for my money). After many-a 3-5 weeks waiting, I have yet to receive the direct deposit of $1900 and they have offered me alternate ways to cash out (i.e. debit, another hot check...etc.) I would never want to change the transaction type and have to prolong an additional 3-5 weeks longer. After re-requesting the money on 7/30/08 via ACH check, I finally got a message that said payment processed on D-Day of 8/25/08!!! Well, I called them 3 weeks ago and they said it takes 2 weeks for Sportsbook.com to "process" it and 1 week for the bank to "process" it. It is day 18 of that long 3 weeks and still no check. I check my bank account every morning every time I wake up in the morning in hopes of a miracle. Still no Divine Intervention. I called them this Monday past (9/22/08) and they told me that their Supervisor said it would take about a week or so. Around and around we go!!!! It is officially 16 weeks since my 1st cashout, 70 days since the bounced check issue, and 31 days since the ACH "process" of $1900.00 that has not been issued. Please help!!! Any thing would be appreciated because I have obviously beat this dead horse to oblivion.

    Thank you for your time!!

    -Merry-Go-Round occupant

    How's that for a doozie? Mind you this was back on 9/25. Today is 10/21 and since then I have changed the transaction to ewallet (I had to register for this account) because they told me that this would be faster (7 business days and 1 day to put into my ewallet). Liars!!! The runaround I have gotten now is that it would take 4-8 weeks (at least it wasn't 3-5), because they are working with new "processors" and a backlog. I hope this helps with your outrage. 300-400 bucks is quite a bit, $1900 is just as painful to lose. I have been nothing but nice to them, never raised my voice or cursed them in any form or fashion. Probably b/c I am afraid they would take longer or nopay me! I hope you get your dilemma resolved and I think I am gonna try the osga (thanks RJ) for some assistance. This has taken 5 months of my adult life, and added gray hair to my head. Sometimes I just wanna give up, but I'm not!!! Not in this recession!! Good luck buddy

    P.S. oh yeah. For got to say. When I requested the cashout to my Ewallet, they took out $20. I asked them about it and they told me that I had "bonus'" pending!? Let me get this straight? A $20 bonus pending on a $1900 bounced check? I am not even gonna duke it out with them for $20 b/c I am gonna just lose more time and add more gray hair for complaining about $20. Consider it a courtesy fee. Merry X-mas sportsbook.com. I'm sure the conversion rate in Costa Rica will turn my $20 into a house on the beach

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Adam MacMillan
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    Well, if it's any consolation to you...

    I had been playing there for about a year while cashing out about $500-$1000/month via check. All came within about 4 weeks and were from US banks, so they cashed fine. Recently (9/25) I withdrew @$5k to my usemywallet account. It hit on 10/9. I still have another @9k pending that is taking longer to hit the account. I made 2 withdrawals within 5 days, and I can see that the "check" ID is different by ~3500 places. I'm assuming that they have about 4500 withdrawal requests a week. I would think in this electronic world that would take about 30 minutes to process, but who knows, maybe it's alot.

    I know from 2+2 that people are having problems, and I feel your pain. I just want to let you know that some people are getting their money, so don't lose all hope.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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